curious: why use own hosting rather than github?

Ondřej Synáček ondrejsynacek at
Fri May 22 07:50:46 CEST 2020

> I think one of the main issues here is that people hate email.

That’s a bold statement. I think it does well what it’s supposed to 
do. Security defaults could be better but email can be done securely.

I encountered people saying that email “needs to evolve”. We have 
Slack, IRC etc that can do a lot and those can be good alternatives for 
certain orgs / use cases.

On 22 May 2020, at 3:48, Nathan Lilienthal wrote:

> I think one of the main issues here is that people hate email. I'm not
> sure how to solve this, but it is desperately in need of a solution.
> On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 10:35 AM Allan Odgaard 
> <lists+pass at> wrote:
>> On 21 May 2020, at 17:51, Rémi Lapeyre wrote:
>>> A bug tracker (which can be used in foss, even when using cgit) 
>>> would
>>> give the answer immediately and I wouldn’t be afraid that those
>>> patches will be forgotten and stay forever in the mailing list 
>>> archive
>>> without being ever committed.
>> Many bug trackers are just databases of hundreds if not thousands of
>> issues with a lot of “+1” or “bump” comments.
>> The big advantage of a mailing list compared to a bug tracker is that
>> many users with an interest in the software will subscribe to the
>> mailing list, and here they will often reply to messages from other
>> users with “issues”, even review and comment on pull requests
>> (several patches sent to this list has gone through revisions based 
>> on
>> input from other subscribers, with no interaction from Jason).
>> There is very few people who would subscribe to a pass bug tracker 
>> and
>> help out users, or do impromptu reviews of pull requests.
>> So this list decrease the amount of work Jason has to do (responding 
>> to
>> users), and it ensures that patches are put in front of more 
>> eyeballs,
>> which is especially good with pass supporting platforms that Jason do
>> not himself use (AFAIK).
>> Unfortunately though Jason is not the best at acknowledging patches, 
>> it
>> does seem like we do lose some patches, though maybe he is just busy 
>> and
>> he does flag all emails with patches, and a bug tracker wouldn’t
>> necessarily solve anything: I submitted a patch for WebKit 7 years 
>> ago
>> (fixing a bug), bumped it 4 years ago, and that issue is still open.

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