curious: why use own hosting rather than github?

[Tobias V. Langhoff]

Yeah... And re: the earlier talk about forking, I ended up forking my
import script and putting it on GitHub. It's just a small dumb import
script, so not really representative of anything, but there was some
interaction and I received a couple of pull requests there (which were
part of the patch I tried to send upstream to this mailing list, but
which were ignored). So I guess I successfully forked my own import
script to GitHub!

I searched my e-mail archive after all since I got curious: My initial
patch was at May 25, 2016, and then I followed up with three patches
on November 15, 2017. I sent another email about that set of patches
at March 5, 2018. Three e-mails over a period of two years, and none
of them received a reply. Of course the same would probably have
happened in a proper issue tracker, but then at least it'd be a bit
more transparent, and visiting users who experienced troubles with the
import script would see that it was a known, long-standing issue.

On Mon, May 25, 2020 at 1:08 PM J Rt <jean.rblt at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Get a bit the same feeling. Sent a small patch a few months ago. No
> idea what its status is now. Would have been much easier to track the
> status with a fork / pull request / issues workflow in my opinion. The
> result is that I will probably not try to participate more here in the
> future :( .
>
> On Mon, May 25, 2020 at 1:05 PM Tobias V. Langhoff <tobias at langhoff.no> wrote:
> >
> > I don't participate much on this mailing list, but several years back
> > I sent a couple of very minor patches to an import script I wrote in
> > 2014. I never received any reply, and sent a reminder (and an updated
> > patch to resolve a merge conflict), but again I never heard anything.
> > I don't even remember how many years ago this was, probably around
> > 2017. I could search my email archive to find out, but that's pretty
> > clunky, and honestly I don't care anymore.
> >
> > On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 5:49 PM Rémi Lapeyre <remi.lapeyre at lenstra.fr> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > > Le 22 mai 2020 à 03:48, Nathan Lilienthal <nathan at nixpulvis.com> a écrit :
> > > >
> > > > I think one of the main issues here is that people hate email. I'm not
> > > > sure how to solve this, but it is desperately in need of a solution.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > It’s not that people hate email, but a mailing list without search is a bad way to keep track of the patches. If some people are still unconvinced that it’s the current situation is not ideal, just have a look at the last path that Holger Dell sent: https://lists.zx2c4.com/pipermail/password-store/2020-May/004134.html.
> > >
> > >
> > > This solves a very painful issue, when an empty password as been saved using `pass insert ‘’` which can happen when pass is called from another process, it will completely break `pass`, `pass show` and any plugin that uses those commands. This is a major bug!
> > >
> > > Now, Holger Dell spent time debugging, implementing a fix and sending it to the mailing list. That’s nice. What is less good is that this bug was already reported:
> > >
> > >
> > > - Andrea Gazzaniga had this issue: https://lists.zx2c4.com/pipermail/password-store/2019-November/003807.html
> > > - Vladimir Zhelezoff had this issue: https://lists.zx2c4.com/pipermail/password-store/2019-November/003809.html
> > > - I had this issue
> > > - I sent a patch to fix this issue: https://lists.zx2c4.com/pipermail/password-store/2019-July/003698.html
> > > - Doan Tran Cong Danh sent a patch to fix this issue: https://lists.zx2c4.com/pipermail/password-store/2019-November/003815.html
> > >
> > > That’s a lot of people for such a bug and all this could be avoided with a list of currently known issues and waiting path (as far as know it’s not even possible to make a search in the mailing list archive).
> > >
> > > Of course, I can make a fork and maintain a fixed version of patch. But then, should I convince the distribution packager to use my fork instead?
> > >
> > > What about patches that I cannot test? Aren’t we diluting the community’s effort.
> > >
> > > Worse, there is many things that this mailing list does very well, when a user needs help an answer is usually quick to come and while we aren’t doing a poor job to keep track of issues and patches, some members are very helpful to review them: my patch was reviewed and improved by both HacKan and Tobias Girstmair.
> > >
> > >
> > > Still, that’s a lot of people involved for an important issue whose fix is actually quite simple (and those are only the occurence I know of…).
> > >
> > > If we agree that there is room for improvement we can start looking for solutions. For helping others and reviewing patches the mailing list work great and have many advantages as other have already pointed out. We don’t need to change everything just to fix the problem we have here.
> > >
> > >
> > > If you agree, we could try to have a quarterly thread with all thee outstanding patch and review / vote on them. Then Jason Donenfeld could pull all of them or cherry-pick some and reject others.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I don’t know batch enough to review the patches but even I could track the patches and open this thread once in a while if the rest of the community and Jason Donenfeld agree that this could help.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > P.S.: I went further back in the archive to look for other occurence of this pattern:
> > >
> > >
> > > - here’s a 2017 bug report with a https://lists.zx2c4.com/pipermail/password-store/2017-September/003051.html
> > > - another bug report for the same bug was made in 2018: https://lists.zx2c4.com/pipermail/password-store/2018-July/003352.htm
> > > -  I posted another patch for this in 2020: https://lists.zx2c4.com/pipermail/password-store/2020-March/003990.html and Allan Odgaard reviewed and improved it!
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Tobias V. Langhoff



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