Nonce in out-of-order messages

Jason A. Donenfeld Jason at
Sun Aug 25 17:56:48 CEST 2019

On Sun, Aug 25, 2019 at 9:36 AM Hristo Georgiev <hristo.metal at> wrote:
> Hello
> I’m working on file transfer protocol inspired by Noise and Wireguard over UDP  with static keys so the handshake pattern is going to be Noise_IK_25519_ChaChaPoly_BLAKE2s  or KK. In general i’m trying to follow NoiseSocket spec but adapted to UDP and i was wondering where to place the ‘nonce’ into packet to extend the protocol as described into p.11.4 in NoiseProtocol spec .  So I had a look into WireGuard implementation (which I use a lot in multiple sites, mostly on EdgeRouters)
> so what i found in noise.c line 445 message_decrypt:
> chacha20poly1305_decrypt(dst_plaintext, src_ciphertext, src_len,
>                                       hash, NOISE_HASH_LEN,
>                                       0 /* Always zero for Noise_IK */, key))
> Correct me if I’m mistaken, I’m not C programer nor cryptographer, I think this zero here is the Nonce. If that’s the case what security sacrifices and the chance for replay attacks are?
> Would it be Ok if I also hardcode the Nonce to 0 in my implementation?

This isn't the nonce used as part of the transport object, but rather
a single encryption/decryption that happens with a unique key as part
of the handshake. It being zero is a natural consequence of the
protocol flow.

Don't hardcode a zero nonce in transport messages.

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